what is the point of being acquitted if everyone still calls you a pedophile? don't you think the media and the court would find something if he actually did do this? this upsets me so much i am shocked. he doesnt deserve this.
well they took pics of MJ's penis and the boy described it like moles ect... and was accurate i like MJ'S music but to say with out a doubt h didn't do it is niave cause you dont know
now i guess my statement could be hearsay i dont know that he did or didnt but it will always be part of his legacy
This legacy will be his music, his dancing and his acquittal of a Sexual abuse accusations -- NOT that they took pics of MJ's penis and the boy described it like moles ect... and was accurate. He was found not guilty so get over it.
Actually, the boy was also very inaccurate. A friend of mine knows Michael, and we know he'd NEVER do anything to harm children. He was acquitted, he's dead, we should leave him be.
Naive people. He was not proven to be innocent. He paid them off. No one knows for sure what a person will or won't do behind closed doors. A person may seem to be one way around friends and family, but when they are behind closed doors, they can be completely different. The worst criminals are often adored by many. Hmmm... I wonder why....
Sherry hun, "MJ the man" wouldn't have made it on MTV without being "MJ the artist." So stop trying to separate the artist from the man. You need to stop saying such crazy things. However, I am glad that Joy & Elisabeth commented on there being too much MJ footage. I totally agree that the US has far more to worry about than MJ dying.
The description of the penis, accurate or not, was incredibly invasive. Now, anyone who has shared the changing room with me would know about my private parts. Just because you can describe something, doesn't mean that that person did anything wrong. Look at line-ups. People mis-identify people all the time. Let MJ have his coverage. You don't like it? Turn to the Discovery Chanel or whatever.
Just because MJ was acquitted means S**t - people are wrongly acquitted all the time! Let's not forget that the Jury was comprised of MJ's fans and most had book deals prior to taking up their Jury duty! Jury's are supposed to be impartial- they were not impartial in MJ's case!
Read this article about the first incident (http://www.buttonmonkey.com/misc/maryfischer.html). It explains how the boy's father, a dentist who was sued numerous times for negligence and owed $64,000 in child support, and a lawyer, who was known to not pay employees or taxes, created a plan to extort MJ for millions.
I wish information in this article was talked about on the news. If you search YouTube for the interviews MJ's given, it's clear how normal he was.
You should also search YouTube for what his friends, like Steve Harvey, Quincy Jones, and even Lisa Marie Presley had to say about him. Those who knew him one-on-one saw him as a great father, humble, generous, misunderstood, and taken advantage of out of greed.
"Living With Michael Jackson, Take Two", is a great example of how that 2003 documentary by Martin Bashir was skewed and only added to the lies and general misconception of who Michael was (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvhwWDCV9Bo).
It hurts to realize only after MJ died how wonderful he was and how horribly the media/we all treated him while he was alive.
Would you leave your kids with him? Really? Even without the diddling or sleeping in the bed with them, you can't leave your kid with a guy who dangles babies out of hotel windows.
So many people have already made up their mind about something they don't know a shit about, really. Based on what? What the media's been telling us? As if the media didn't tweak their information to sell more papers and get higher ratings. Gosh. Can't people just give him the benefit of the doubt, seeing how no one can really know for sure, and remember him for his great music?
I wouldn't leave my kids with him, I wouldn't leave my kids with anyone I didn't know well, celebrity or not. That's why, IMO the parents would also have to be culpable for negligence...lucky for them Michael was innocent. And I agree with Anonymous@7:49, why does it matter any more. The man is dead, he can't defend himself, and his three babies have gone through enough. Losing their father should be enough, they shouldn't have to hear his father's name sullied, when he's not there to defend himself.
After taking the time and doing the research and realizing how full of shit those charges were, I am even more positive that he didn't do those things.
They tore that man's home upside down, took pictures of him naked, interviewed the hundreds of adults and children around him and they still came up with nothing.
I am pretty sure a pedophile wouldn't have molested one kid and thats it.
Also, with the first case, it never went to trial because of those reasons and lets not forget why, because the kids parents settled out of court, instead of taking it to trial. suspecious
as for paying off others you tell me would you be willing to go through that bull shit again when they realize that you are now an easy target.
If you look at the last case you can't spot the holes in that story hundreds of miles away.
guess what, the boy from the first case was repeated asked to testify and guess what, he DECLINED.
I wonder why.
I feel so sorry that he had to live his life, with people, saying he was gay, a pedophile, didn't want to be black, etc..
that is a lot of shit to go through, just so you could do something you love.
If the allegations against MJ were true in the first case, I would think that any concerned parent would have stopped at nothing to see the man that molested their child to be brought to justice and make sure it didn't happen to anyone elses kid. Instead they settled for millions of dollars outside of court, which to me is a huge sign that they were only after money.
Regardless, right now is the time to focus on the positive things that he accomplished during his lifetime and celebrate his career. He will be remembered as one of the most popular musicians of all time, who influenced performers from all genres of music. Nothing will ever change that. That's what should matter not that he made the mistake of dangling his baby from a balcony. And the whole "would you leave your child alone with him?" scenario is ridiculous. Why should it matter anymore??
Just to give my opinion on this, MJ did pay off the first family which looks bad. I dont believe for a minute he molested a child. I think he slept in the same bed, which although that could be deemed inappropriate he would never harm or sexually abuse. I can understand why he paid them off, as he was advised to.
The second trial in 2005. Think about it. Michael Jackson on trial for paedophilia. It would have been easy to find him Guilty. The reason he was acquitted is becasue there was insuffient evidence to prove he did it.
I'm not his biggest fan, although i do like his music. At the end of the day, no-one will ever know but the fact that he was charged twice, and both of the parents who filed were slandered by others for drugging their own children and being gold diggers sort of shows that they probably just wanted money. Shame on them. Michael Jackson died from stress. Stress to perform, stress to get out of debt and it all started in 1993 with this case. I don't know how Evan Chandler sleeps at night!
Think about it, if my son was molested, no money in the world would be enough to pay off the pain and suffering, I would like the person to rott in jail and would never take his dirty pay off money, as a parent... I believe it was all an extorsion, that's why it did not work the second time around
thank you Whoopi for trying to be the voice of reason although I don't think they heard. THe big settlement was suspicious but not of Michael but rather the parents! What parent if there really was abuse done to their child would want money instead of justice??!!! Innocent until proven guilty wasn't the case with Michael but rather guilty until proven innocent and even when he was proven innocent, the press still slanted it so he seemed guilty.
"What parent if there really was abuse done to their child would want money instead of justice??!!!"
That is an extremely naive comment. There are parents all over the world who sell their children into prostution whether out of necisity or greed. What makes you think our country is any different? Not every parent puts the needs of their own children over their own greed and MJ had deep pockets. He gave and gave and then when they came forward about what they'd allowed to happen to their children, he paid them off.
Personally I believe he did molest several of those boys and I believe he was in a sexual relationship with young Chandler. When everyone says he would never hurt a child they don't stop to consider that most molesters rationalize their behaviour as loving. It doesn't mean he sodomized the boy, but I believe there were inappropriate sexual acts taking place and it's beyond weird that his parents and the parents of all the rest of the boys who were allowed to sleep in his bed behind closed doors allowed it (there are police reports that he had sensors to alert him if someone was approaching his bedroom, pretty convient for a molester). Does that mean he molested all of those boys? Possibly not, but all a pedophile needs is an opportunity and he had ample.
Neverland alone reminds me of the theme park in Pinocchio, or the child catcher in Chitty, Chitty, Bang, Bang, or even the witch in Hansel and Gretel. There is no doubt that he was a great performer, but for me thats over shadowed by his over interest in young boys, and it's clear he showed a preference. He's not the first homosexual male to do so either. So many people who've worked closely with him have come out about this. It's true they have something to gain but then so did those who openly supported him. At one time he was one of the most powerful people in Hollywood, if not the most powerful person and being in his favor was a lucrative position.
As for why young Chandler didn't testify against him, I think he was still in love with Jackson. Yes it happens, young children fall in love with their molesters, sexual acts are very intimate, and I'm sure Jackson believed himself in love as well. His behaviour was certainly very strange regarding the child as countless reports have testified. Having said that, I think Chandlers parents, as well as Jackson's should be ashamed of themselves. I believe those closest to him knew exactly what was going on and chose to look the other way for financial reasons. Both parties exploited their children and both will have to one day face their maker. I thought this was a pretty interesting documentary and rather a sad commentary on Jackson's life shortly before he passed away. http://www.megavideo.com/?v=PMUFT2QU
"Think about it, if my son was molested, no money in the world would be enough to pay off the pain and suffering, I would like the person to rott in jail and would never take his dirty pay off money, as a parent... I believe it was all an extorsion, that's why it did not work the second time around"
I totally agree with this...No amount of money could ever "pay off" my child being molested... IMO.
"his over interest in young boys, and it's clear he showed a preference. He's not the first homosexual male to do so either. "
There is a HUGE difference between Homosexuals and Pedophiles. Homosexual acts are between 2 consenting adults. A 12 year old can neve consent.
I believe as more people who knew him are coming out and stating that he was not a sexual being that they are probably correct. One can be Asexual. It is often overlooked but girls as well as boys stayed overnight with Michael. Whoopi just said that she DID let her daughter stay with Michael.
I wouldn't leave my child with any stranger! I don't care if she was asked to spend the night at the White House. I would be right there with her. But Whoopi said she was friends with Michael so if she was comfortable with that then so be it. We will NEVER know if this actually happened. All we can do is speculate. Michael's life was beyond what ANYONE can EVER understand. It surely was a possiblity that he just enjoyed being in the company of children because he felt that adults weren't trustworthy. Regardless of all of this, it's not for us to judge this man. Who are we to do this? If there is a God for him to face, then he will be judged.
Anon at 7/8/09 8:07 AM " A 12 year old can neve consent."
That's right and neither can a 14 yr old. If you found out that a 24 yr old man was dating your 14 year old daughter and he said that he was NOT having sex with her, would you believe it? Now, imagine seeing this story on the news. What would your judgement of this 24 yr old be? Would you see him as perverse and a pedophile? Would you believe that they were sleeping together and the girl was being taking advantage of by some monster or would you believe it when he said it is all innocent? Now if I said that I'm telling the story of Elvis and Priscilla Presley. Do you believe it now? But don't we all just love Elvis, the King of Rock n' Roll for the music and legacy he gave us?
Please just let Michael Jackson rest in peace. Let's not judge something we know no absolute truth about. Let's just enjoy the music and legacy the King Of Pop gave us. R.I.P MJ
We will never ever know what really happen between Michael and the young chandler (which was the beginning of all his troubles). But what I know for sure is that from the moment the parents are so greedy they can take the money of an "assumed" child molester , they are no better! and michael IS INNOCENT.
I can't imagine for all the money in the world that anyone could touch or violate my child and I wouldn't do anything in my power to stop him so that he won't be able to do this again; even for all the money in the world! What kind of parent (or human being)would I be? Could I see myself in the mirror , spending the money of the devil? I say from the moment they took the money Michael is innocent even if he really molested the child! THe parents are even more guilty , knowing that Michael was a real danger towards other children and not doing anything to stop him. It's exactely as if they gave a murderer a gun and help him to kill.
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ReplyDeletelol i was thinking the same thing. i was trying to figure it out for the longest time...
ReplyDeletewhat is the point of being acquitted if everyone still calls you a pedophile? don't you think the media and the court would find something if he actually did do this?
ReplyDeletethis upsets me so much i am shocked. he doesnt deserve this.
OJ was found not guiklty too.
ReplyDeleteWacko should've done time for dangling a baby out of window anyway.
well they took pics of MJ's penis and the boy described it like moles ect...
ReplyDeleteand was accurate
i like MJ'S music but to say with out a doubt h didn't do it is niave cause you dont know
now i guess my statement could be hearsay
i dont know that he did or didnt but it will always be part of his legacy
This legacy will be his music, his dancing and his acquittal of a Sexual abuse accusations -- NOT that they took pics of MJ's penis and the boy described it like moles ect... and was accurate. He was found not guilty so get over it.
ReplyDeleteActually, the boy was also very inaccurate. A friend of mine knows Michael, and we know he'd NEVER do anything to harm children. He was acquitted, he's dead, we should leave him be.
ReplyDeleteAfter today, I will always be a Whoopi fan. Thank you Whoopi for being honest. No matter what she says in the future.
ReplyDeleteNaive people. He was not proven to be innocent. He paid them off. No one knows for sure what a person will or won't do behind closed doors. A person may seem to be one way around friends and family, but when they are behind closed doors, they can be completely different. The worst criminals are often adored by many. Hmmm... I wonder why....
ReplyDeleteSherry hun, "MJ the man" wouldn't have made it on MTV without being "MJ the artist." So stop trying to separate the artist from the man. You need to stop saying such crazy things. However, I am glad that Joy & Elisabeth commented on there being too much MJ footage. I totally agree that the US has far more to worry about than MJ dying.
ReplyDeleteAlso, Sherry PLEASE stop talking about MVP. Are you trying to get more exposure? It's annoying.
ReplyDeleteThe description of the penis, accurate or not, was incredibly invasive. Now, anyone who has shared the changing room with me would know about my private parts. Just because you can describe something, doesn't mean that that person did anything wrong.
ReplyDeleteLook at line-ups.
People mis-identify people all the time.
Let MJ have his coverage.
You don't like it?
Turn to the Discovery Chanel or whatever.
Just because MJ was acquitted means S**t - people are wrongly acquitted all the time! Let's not forget that the Jury was comprised of MJ's fans and most had book deals prior to taking up their Jury duty! Jury's are supposed to be impartial- they were not impartial in MJ's case!
ReplyDeleteRead this article about the first incident (http://www.buttonmonkey.com/misc/maryfischer.html). It explains how the boy's father, a dentist who was sued numerous times for negligence and owed $64,000 in child support, and a lawyer, who was known to not pay employees or taxes, created a plan to extort MJ for millions.
ReplyDeleteI wish information in this article was talked about on the news. If you search YouTube for the interviews MJ's given, it's clear how normal he was.
You should also search YouTube for what his friends, like Steve Harvey, Quincy Jones, and even Lisa Marie Presley had to say about him. Those who knew him one-on-one saw him as a great father, humble, generous, misunderstood, and taken advantage of out of greed.
"Living With Michael Jackson, Take Two", is a great example of how that 2003 documentary by Martin Bashir was skewed and only added to the lies and general misconception of who Michael was (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvhwWDCV9Bo).
It hurts to realize only after MJ died how wonderful he was and how horribly the media/we all treated him while he was alive.
Would you leave your kids with him? Really?
ReplyDeleteEven without the diddling or sleeping in the bed with them, you can't leave your kid with a guy who dangles babies out of hotel windows.
So many people have already made up their mind about something they don't know a shit about, really. Based on what? What the media's been telling us? As if the media didn't tweak their information to sell more papers and get higher ratings. Gosh. Can't people just give him the benefit of the doubt, seeing how no one can really know for sure, and remember him for his great music?
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't leave my kids with him, I wouldn't leave my kids with anyone I didn't know well, celebrity or not. That's why, IMO the parents would also have to be culpable for negligence...lucky for them Michael was innocent. And I agree with Anonymous@7:49, why does it matter any more. The man is dead, he can't defend himself, and his three babies have gone through enough. Losing their father should be enough, they shouldn't have to hear his father's name sullied, when he's not there to defend himself.
ReplyDeleteWould you leave your kids alone with ANY stranger?
ReplyDeletewhat happened to the Ellen Show? Anyone?
ReplyDeleteI would leave my kids with him.
ReplyDeleteAfter taking the time and doing the research and realizing how full of shit those charges were, I am even more positive that he didn't do those things.
They tore that man's home upside down, took pictures of him naked, interviewed the hundreds of adults and children around him and they still came up with nothing.
I am pretty sure a pedophile wouldn't have molested one kid and thats it.
Also, with the first case, it never went to trial because of those reasons and lets not forget why, because the kids parents settled out of court, instead of taking it to trial. suspecious
as for paying off others you tell me would you be willing to go through that bull shit again when they realize that you are now an easy target.
If you look at the last case you can't spot the holes in that story hundreds of miles away.
guess what, the boy from the first case was repeated asked to testify and guess what, he DECLINED.
I wonder why.
I feel so sorry that he had to live his life, with people, saying he was gay, a pedophile, didn't want to be black, etc..
that is a lot of shit to go through, just so you could do something you love.
If the allegations against MJ were true in the first case, I would think that any concerned parent would have stopped at nothing to see the man that molested their child to be brought to justice and make sure it didn't happen to anyone elses kid. Instead they settled for millions of dollars outside of court, which to me is a huge sign that they were only after money.
ReplyDeleteRegardless, right now is the time to focus on the positive things that he accomplished during his lifetime and celebrate his career. He will be remembered as one of the most popular musicians of all time, who influenced performers from all genres of music. Nothing will ever change that. That's what should matter not that he made the mistake of dangling his baby from a balcony. And the whole "would you leave your child alone with him?" scenario is ridiculous. Why should it matter anymore??
Just to give my opinion on this, MJ did pay off the first family which looks bad. I dont believe for a minute he molested a child. I think he slept in the same bed, which although that could be deemed inappropriate he would never harm or sexually abuse. I can understand why he paid them off, as he was advised to.
ReplyDeleteThe second trial in 2005. Think about it. Michael Jackson on trial for paedophilia. It would have been easy to find him Guilty. The reason he was acquitted is becasue there was insuffient evidence to prove he did it.
I'm not his biggest fan, although i do like his music. At the end of the day, no-one will ever know but the fact that he was charged twice, and both of the parents who filed were slandered by others for drugging their own children and being gold diggers sort of shows that they probably just wanted money. Shame on them. Michael Jackson died from stress. Stress to perform, stress to get out of debt and it all started in 1993 with this case. I don't know how Evan Chandler sleeps at night!
Again, just my opinion.
Think about it, if my son was molested, no money in the world would be enough to pay off the pain and suffering, I would like the person to rott in jail and would never take his dirty pay off money, as a parent... I believe it was all an extorsion, that's why it did not work the second time around
ReplyDeletethank you Whoopi for trying to be the voice of reason although I don't think they heard. THe big settlement was suspicious but not of Michael but rather the parents! What parent if there really was abuse done to their child would want money instead of justice??!!!
ReplyDeleteInnocent until proven guilty wasn't the case with Michael but rather guilty until proven innocent and even when he was proven innocent, the press still slanted it so he seemed guilty.
"What parent if there really was abuse done to their child would want money instead of justice??!!!"
ReplyDeleteThat is an extremely naive comment. There are parents all over the world who sell their children into prostution whether out of necisity or greed. What makes you think our country is any different? Not every parent puts the needs of their own children over their own greed and MJ had deep pockets. He gave and gave and then when they came forward about what they'd allowed to happen to their children, he paid them off.
Personally I believe he did molest several of those boys and I believe he was in a sexual relationship with young Chandler. When everyone says he would never hurt a child they don't stop to consider that most molesters rationalize their behaviour as loving. It doesn't mean he sodomized the boy, but I believe there were inappropriate sexual acts taking place and it's beyond weird that his parents and the parents of all the rest of the boys who were allowed to sleep in his bed behind closed doors allowed it (there are police reports that he had sensors to alert him if someone was approaching his bedroom, pretty convient for a molester). Does that mean he molested all of those boys? Possibly not, but all a pedophile needs is an opportunity and he had ample.
Neverland alone reminds me of the theme park in Pinocchio, or the child catcher in Chitty, Chitty, Bang, Bang, or even the witch in Hansel and Gretel. There is no doubt that he was a great performer, but for me thats over shadowed by his over interest in young boys, and it's clear he showed a preference. He's not the first homosexual male to do so either. So many people who've worked closely with him have come out about this. It's true they have something to gain but then so did those who openly supported him. At one time he was one of the most powerful people in Hollywood, if not the most powerful person and being in his favor was a lucrative position.
As for why young Chandler didn't testify against him, I think he was still in love with Jackson. Yes it happens, young children fall in love with their molesters, sexual acts are very intimate, and I'm sure Jackson believed himself in love as well. His behaviour was certainly very strange regarding the child as countless reports have testified. Having said that, I think Chandlers parents, as well as Jackson's should be ashamed of themselves. I believe those closest to him knew exactly what was going on and chose to look the other way for financial reasons. Both parties exploited their children and both will have to one day face their maker. I thought this was a pretty interesting documentary and rather a sad commentary on Jackson's life shortly before he passed away. http://www.megavideo.com/?v=PMUFT2QU
*note- by our country I meant the United States, but you could easily use that in reference to any 1st world country.
ReplyDelete"Think about it, if my son was molested, no money in the world would be enough to pay off the pain and suffering, I would like the person to rott in jail and would never take his dirty pay off money, as a parent... I believe it was all an extorsion, that's why it did not work the second time around"
ReplyDeleteI totally agree with this...No amount of money could ever "pay off" my child being molested... IMO.
Anon at 7/8/09 5:24 AM
ReplyDelete"his over interest in young boys, and it's clear he showed a preference. He's not the first homosexual male to do so either. "
There is a HUGE difference between Homosexuals and Pedophiles. Homosexual acts are between 2 consenting adults. A 12 year old can neve consent.
I believe as more people who knew him are coming out and stating that he was not a sexual being that they are probably correct. One can be Asexual. It is often overlooked but girls as well as boys stayed overnight with Michael. Whoopi just said that she DID let her daughter stay with Michael.
Just my opinion.
I wouldn't leave my child with any stranger! I don't care if she was asked to spend the night at the White House. I would be right there with her. But Whoopi said she was friends with Michael so if she was comfortable with that then so be it.
ReplyDeleteWe will NEVER know if this actually happened. All we can do is speculate. Michael's life was beyond what ANYONE can EVER understand. It surely was a possiblity that he just enjoyed being in the company of children because he felt that adults weren't trustworthy.
Regardless of all of this, it's not for us to judge this man. Who are we to do this? If there is a God for him to face, then he will be judged.
Anon at 7/8/09 8:07 AM
" A 12 year old can neve consent."
That's right and neither can a 14 yr old. If you found out that a 24 yr old man was dating your 14 year old daughter and he said that he was NOT having sex with her, would you believe it? Now, imagine seeing this story on the news. What would your judgement of this 24 yr old be? Would you see him as perverse and a pedophile? Would you believe that they were sleeping together and the girl was being taking advantage of by some monster or would you believe it when he said it is all innocent? Now if I said that I'm telling the story of Elvis and Priscilla Presley. Do you believe it now? But don't we all just love Elvis, the King of Rock n' Roll for the music and legacy he gave us?
Please just let Michael Jackson rest in peace. Let's not judge something we know no absolute truth about. Let's just enjoy the music and legacy the King Of Pop gave us. R.I.P MJ
Was the View not on yesterday?
ReplyDeleteWe will never ever know what really happen between Michael and the young chandler (which was the beginning of all his troubles).
ReplyDeleteBut what I know for sure is that from the moment the parents are so greedy they can take the money of an "assumed" child molester , they
are no better! and michael IS INNOCENT.
I can't imagine for all the money in the world that anyone could touch or violate my child and I wouldn't do anything in my power to stop him so that he won't be able to do this again;
even for all the money in the world!
What kind of parent (or human being)would I be? Could I see myself in the mirror , spending the money of the devil?
I say from the moment they took the money Michael is innocent even if he really molested the child!
THe parents are even more guilty , knowing that Michael was a real danger towards other children and not doing anything to stop him.
It's exactely as if they gave a murderer a gun and help him to kill.
Leave your kids with him just not your good-looking teenage boys.
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